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Daniel 8:11 - A Translation Issue
is "taken away" correct?
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Revised Daniel 8:11 Rendering





There has been an issue with Daniel 8:11 which has been acknowledged
but not resolved.


    Dan   8:10  And it grew up to the host of heaven; and it cast down
                some of the host and some of the stars to the ground,
                and trampled them. 
           :11  He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the
                host; and by him the daily sacrifices were taken away,
                and the place of His sanctuary was cast down.
           :12  Because of transgression, an army was given over
                to the horn to oppose the daily sacrifices; and he
                cast truth down to the ground. He did all this and
                prospered.


The Hebrew word translated "taken away" is Strong's H7311 and Strong's
Exhaustive Concordance records the meaning as:

Strong's H7311 meaning

It can be seen that its primary meaning is to be high, to rise or
raise. In various applications, both literal or figurative.


The Masoretic Text Shows Two Different Forms of H7311


For the verse Dan 8:11 there are actually two received forms of the
Hebrew H7311.


Two Hebrew forms
[NB: In respect to the above presentation the initial row shows the Hebrew without any added vowels. The second row shows the Hebrew with vowels added. ] The first Hebrew form H7311 form K (without vowels) is most commonly rendered not as H7311, but as H2022 where the meaning is 'mountains'. The second Hebrew form H7311 form Q (without vowels) is used less frequently and has been translated as 'heaved' in Exodus 29:27. It seems that the Masoretic Text placed the first form in the actual Hebrew text (for this reason some interlinears only show this form). The second form was referenced in the margin of the Masoretic Text. However, both are still conveying the same meaning, i.e. to 'raise'. To make the distinction clearer the following will help to explain. Two forms of H7311 Strong's reference H7311 is also encountered in a few other verses in the Book of Daniel. Dan 11:12 Dan 11:12 forms NKJV 'lifted up' YLT 'high' Dan 11:36 Dan 11:36 form NKJV 'he shall exalt' YLT 'and exalteth himself' Dan 12:7 Dan 12:7 form NKJV 'when he held up' YLT 'and he doth lift up' These verses confirm the true meaning of this Hebrew word is to 'be high', 'rise', or 'raised'. So, this still leaves the issue that in Daniel 8:11 it is clearly unacceptable to render a word with such an inference in way that denies or diametrically opposes its true meaning. It can not be rendered as 'taken away', 'thrown down, 'cast down' or anything similar.

Does the Current Rendering Flow Smoothly?


What is the sequence of thoughts being presented?


It is clear that verse 10 is talking about the little horn rising to
the host of heaven and casting down some of the symbolic host and some
of the symbolic stars.

Comment: The indication is that the host of heaven is above the
         location where the little horn initially resided.
         "It grew up to the host of heaven"


Then, skipping past verse 11, we have verse 12 talking about an army
being given to the little horn to oppose the daily sacrifice and cast
down truth. The little horn being given this army because of ongoing
transgression at the Jerusalem sanctuary.

Comment: The end-time role of the little horn is to decimate
         Jerusalem. He is given this role because of ongoing
         religious transgression.


When we look at the normal translation of the middle verse, Dan 8:11,
it does not harmonize with the prior or subsequent verse.

    Dan   8:11  He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the
                host; and by him the daily sacrifices were taken away,
                and the place of His sanctuary was cast down.


Comment: 1) The common translation seems to repeat the teaching of
            verse 10. An approach which initially seems acceptable.

         2) Then it states the little horn will take away the daily.
            The little horn does indeed do that, but he does not take
            away the daily in the symbolic heaven (where the host and
            stars are located).
            Also, it seems that verse 12 is actually the verse which
            introduces the taking away of the daily at Jerusalem.
            It is verse 12 that provides the reason (transgression),
            then advises he will be given an army to enable this task
            to be accomplished.
            Therefore, it seems that verse 11 should not be addressing
            this topic, as this is a topic introduced in verse 12.

         3) The place of His (ie, God's) sanctuary will be cast down?
            This is not right. The place of the sanctuary at Jerusalem
            is going to be brought down. So the verse implies the
            wrong location.


It seems to be fair to say that the translators were unsure how to
render Dan 8:11, and they just did their best. Subsequent translations
just followed.

So How Should Daniel 8:11 Have Been Understood?


Before looking closer at Dan 8:11 let us take a closer look at the
prior verse Dan 8:10.
 
What is the Hebrew of the preceding Daniel 8:10 saying?


    and       And

    H1431     waxed great

    H5704     unto

    H6635     host

    H8064     heavens

    and       and

    H5307     casting

    H776      earthward

    H4480     from

    H6635     the host

    and       and

    H4480     from

    H3356     the stars

    and       and

    H7429     trampling


Providing the text. "And waxed great unto the host of heavens and
                     casting earthward from the host and from the
                     stars and trampling.  


Therefore, the normal renderings of Dan 8:10 are indeed correct.



What does the Hebrew of Daniel 8:11 show?


    H5704     up to, unto, until

    H8269     chief, prince

    H6635     host

    H1431     he (did) great (things), he magnified (himself}

    and       and

    H4480     and from him, and hence from or out of

    H7311     to be high actively, to rise, raise

    H8548     the continual, the continually

    and       and

    H7993     fling/cast down/forth/off/out

    H4349     site of

    H4720     consecrated thing/place, hallowed, sanctuary


Hence, a reasonable rendering would be something like the following;


    Dan   8:11  Until the Prince of the host did great things,
                and by him was elevated the daily sacrifice,
                and was flung down the site of the consecrated.


So the verse would be stating that the Prince of the Host would do
great things. Elevate the daily and cast down to earth the location
of the consecrated.

The 'consecrated' being Strong's H4720, meaning a consecrated thing,
especially a palace or sanctuary. Whether of God or of idols.
In this text - the heavenly abode of the little horn.


Is there in Scripture an equivalent description?


    Rev  12:7   And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his
                angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon
                and his angels fought,
          :8    but they did not prevail, nor was a place found
                for them in heaven any longer.
          :9    So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent
                of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives
                the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and
                his angels were cast out with him.



So in summary let us consider how Daniel 8:10-13 should have been
translated.

    Dan   8:10  And it grew up to the host of heaven; and it
                flung down some of the host and some of the
                stars to the ground, and trampled them.
           :11  Until the Prince of the host did great things,
                and by him was elevated the daily sacrifice,
                and was flung down the site of the consecrated.
           :12  And a host was given against the continual
                which was in transgression, and was flung
                down truth to the ground. And it did this
                and prospered.


So the importance of a proper translation of Dan 8:11 is to reflect
a spiritual war amongst the host of heaven. A war which the little
horn loses.

The daily offering in the symbolic heaven is raised in quality,
while the daily offering upon the symbolic earth is brought to an
end. It seems that it was this contrast, which caused confusion.


The verse also has the little horn being relocated from amongst
the host of heaven to being cast down upon the earth. Where it stops
transgression in Jerusalem and defeats all present (including those
of faith still trying to provide a witness - those of faith who
unwisely failed to leave when the sign of the Abomination of
Desolation became manifest).


The little horn prospers, at least until his allotted time expires.




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