Gog and Magog, Meshech and Tubal



Ezekiel scroll - Gog, land of Magog, Meshech and Tubal

Ezekiel 38 & 39  and  Revelation 20:8

Revelation - Gog and Magog



Gog and Magog are biblical identities that are first introduced in the
book of Ezekiel.

    Ezek  38:2   Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land
                 of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal,
                 and prophesy against him,
            :3   And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am
                 against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech
                 and Tubal:  (NIV)


Christians usually develop an interest over the identity of 'Gog' due
to the following verses in the book of Revelation.

    Rev   20:7   Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan
                 will be released from his prison
            :8   and will go out to deceive the nations which are
                 in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog,
                 to gather them together to battle, whose number
                 is as the sand of the sea.


GOG & MAGOG RELATIONSHIP


Revelation 20:8 simply mentions 'Gog and Magog', but the book of
Ezekiel provides further information.

    Ezek  38:2   ... Gog, of the land of Magog, ...


Gog is a leader of the people of the land of Magog!
The people of Magog, were the people of the second son of Japheth (the son of Noah). Gen 10:1 Now this is the genealogy of the sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. :2 The sons of Japheth were Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras.

'ROSH' OR 'CHIEF'


The NKJV, and a number of other translations, suggest 'Rosh' is one of
three entities along with Meshech and Tubal.

    Ezek  38:2   ... the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal, ...
            :3   ... the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal.
          39:1   ... the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal.

However, the NKJV also highlights (via a footnote) that the translation,
"chief", is also possible.

    Ezek  38:2   ... the chief prince of Meshech, and Tubal, ...


This raises the question of whether the word 'rosh' is being intended
as a name or simply as a word meaning 'chief'.

The word 'rosh' is used as a name in Genesis.

    Gen   46:21  The sons of Benjamin were Belah, Becher,
                 Ashbel, Gera, Naaman, Ehi, Rosh, Muppim,
                 Huppim, and Ard.


However, when Gentile nationalities are listed one never finds any
mention of 'Rosh'.


Since the name 'Rosh' is not used to define any Gentile nations in
Scripture it is reasonably apparent that the word is being used
merely to mean 'chief'.


It should be noted that in the Hebrew the sequence is "prince chief"
not "chief prince".

So the rendering "

    Ezek  38:2   ... Gog, the land of Magog, the prince, chief of
                 Meshech and Tubal, ...

would be more accurate.


MESHECH, TUBAL & OTHERS


The people of Tubal and Meshech were fifth and sixth sons of Japheth.

   1Chr   1:5   The sons of Japheth were Gomer, Magog, Madai,
                Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras.

They are described as 'uncircumcised'.

    Ezek  32:26  There are Meshech and Tubal and all their
                 multitudes, with all their graves around it,
                 all of them uncircumcised, slain by the sword,
                 though they caused their terror in the land of
                 the living.

The literal people of Tubal are described as living on the coastlands
far away.

    Isa   66:19  ... and Tubal and Javan, to the coastlands afar off
                 who have not heard My fame nor seen My glory. ...

These are described as traders.

    Ezek  27:13  Javan, Tubal, and Meshech were your traders.
                 They bartered human lives and vessels of bronze
                 for your merchandise.


Apart from these, there were other descendants of Japheth mentioned in
chapter 38 of Ezekiel.

    Ezek  38:6   Gomer and all its troops; the house of Togarmah
                 from the far north and all its troops; many
                 people are with you.

Gomer was the first mentioned son of Japheth and Togarmah was a son
of Gomer.

    Gen   10:3   The sons of Gomer were Ashkenaz, Riphath, and
                 Togarmah.


So we now have four of the seven sons of Japheth mentioned in connection
with Gog. These being - Gomer, Magog, Tubal and Meshech.


In addition we have mention of Persia, Ethiopia and Libya.

    Ezek  38:5   Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya are with them,
                 all of them with shield and helmet; 

Other translations show.

    Ezek  38:5   Persia, Cush and Put will be with them,
                 all with shields and helmets, (NIV)

Cush and Put were sons of Noah's son Ham.

    Gen   10:6   The sons of Ham were Cush, Mizraim, Put,
                 and Canaan. 

So some descendants of Ham were also present amongst the descendants
of Japheth.


SEVEN SONS OF JAPHETH


We are aware that Noah had three sons.

   Gen   10:1   Now this is the genealogy of the sons of Noah:
                Shem, Ham, and Japheth.


1) We are aware the chosen line was the descendants of Shem.


2) From Noah's son Ham came Canaan - who was the father of the
   Canaanites.

    Gen  10:6   The sons of Ham were Cush, Mizraim, Put,
                and Canaan. 

           :15  Canaan begot ...
           :18  ...  Afterward the families of the Canaanites
                were dispersed.


3} The third son Japheth attracts less biblical attention.

   However, there is an interesting comment.

    Gen   9:27  May God enlarge Japheth, And may
                he dwell in the tents of Shem;


In these 3 sons of Noah, there is a subtle indication that they
may be typifying three entities within God's work.

     - a 'chosen' group
     - a 'cursed' group
     - a greatly multiplied group.


In respect to Japheth it is interesting that he has seven sons.

    Gen   10:2   The sons of Japheth were Gomer, Magog, Madai,
                 Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras.


Indicating that the group which is to be greatly multiplied is
a group of seven.


The notion of greatly multiplied is encapsulated in the promises
of God given to Abraham and Isaac. These promises were then passed
on to Jacob. The bulk of these were then passed on to Joseph's
younger son Ephraim. The tribe of Ephraim became the leading tribe
of the 10 tribed house of Israel.

From a spiritual perspective the 10 tribed house of Israel has
manifested into the seven churches of Christianity.

(The 3 tribed house of Judah (Judah, Levi and Benjamin) spiritually
still being connected to Judaism. It is interesting to note that
Judaism seems to represent the cursed group, because they are
under the requirements of the Old Covenant Law.)

The 'chosen' faith group may in the end-time arise from either
Christianity or Judaism and manifest itself by embodying God's
prophesied witness.


REVELATION CHAPTER 20 - GOG & MAGOG


The book of Revelation is presented in symbols. This symbolic
representation even extends to time periods. So while readers
often like to envisage a literal 1,000 year period - this is
not truly what is being taught.

    Rev   20:7   Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan
                 will be released from his prison
            :8   and will go out to deceive the nations which are
                 in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog,
                 to gather them together to battle, whose number
                 is as the sand of the sea.
            :9   They went up on the breadth of the earth and
                 surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved
                 city. And fire came down from God out of heaven
                 and devoured them. 

                 [ NB: Chapter 20 of Revelation mentions "thousand
                       years" a total of six times! This Suggests
                       this prophetic text is actually referencing
                       more than one symbolic period of time. ]
                      

What we are being presented with in these verses is the demise of
the end-time Great Tribulation ruler.


Notice the reference, "whose number is as the sand of the sea".

So Gog the chief leader of the people of the land of Magog and
chief of Meshech and Tubal (Gomer and Togarmah also mentioned)
will symbolize the people of Japheth.

He will become a leader of a people who would be a great multitude.


He will come against the "camp of the saints and the beloved city".

          20:9   They went up on the breadth of the earth and
                 surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved
                 city. And fire came down from God out of heaven
                 and devoured them.


He will come against "New Jerusalem"!


At that time this Prince and his great multitude will fall! 


MULTITUDES OF GOG FALL


The texts of Ezekiel chapters 38 & 39 focus primarily upon the demise
of Gog.

    Ezek  38:19  For in My jealousy and in the fire of My wrath
                 I have spoken: 'Surely in that day there shall
                 be a great earthquake in the land of Israel,
            :20  ... The mountains shall be thrown down, the
                 steep places shall fall, and every wall shall
                 fall to the ground.'
            :21  I will call for a sword against Gog throughout
                 all My mountains," says the Lord God. "Every
                 man's sword will be against his brother.
            :22  And I will bring him to judgment with pestilence
                 and bloodshed; I will rain down on him, on his
                 troops, and on the many peoples who are with
                 him, flooding rain, great hailstones, fire,
                 and brimstone. 


It is highlighted that a great multitude will perish alongside Gog.

    Ezek  39:11  ...  because there they will bury Gog and
                 all his multitude. Therefore they will call
                 it the Valley of Hamon Gog.

            :15  ... Valley of Hamon Gog.
            :16  The name of the city will also be Hamonah.
                 ...

                 [ Valley of Hamon Gog  = 'Valley of the
                                           Multitude of Gog'
                               Hamonah  = 'Multitude' ]


In Ezekiel 38:21,22 (quoted above), two factors connected to the
demise of Gog's army.

    -  Every man's sword will be against his brother.

       Recall, in the time of Gideon a great defeat of the army
       of the Midianites and Amalekites in the valley of Jezreel.
       At that time God placed fear into the hearts of the army
       from the East - who were as numerous as locusts in the valley
       - and caused very man's sword to be against his companion
       (Judg 7:22).

       A spiritual equivalent to this can be glimpsed when Paul
       creates great dissension between the Sadducees and the
       Pharisees. Acts 23:1-10.

    -  God will send flooding rain, great hailstones, fire
       and brimstone.

       On a spiritual level such would equate to teaching they can
       not withstand. In like manner to the way Christ spoke to those
       of the Sadducees, Pharisees and Scribes who challenged Him.

       (Also keep in mind that Ezekiel references an organised
       subsequent cleansing of traces of Gog's army. Occurring
       during mentioned spans of 7 years and also 7 months,
       Ezek 39:9-16.)


WHY DOES GOG APPEAR ON THE SCENE?


The two chapters of Ezekiel do not fully explain why God causes Gog
to arise on the scene.


Those who believe in a literal 1,000 year period consider Gog appears
on the scene as a part of a final test. A final sifting of those alive
(and/or raised from death) many years into future.


However, there is in Ezekiel another indication.

    Ezek  38:17  Thus says the Lord God: "Are you he of whom I
                 have spoken in former days by My servants the
                 prophets of Israel, who prophesied for years
                 in those days that I would bring you against
                 them?"

In end-time Scripture there are many prophecies of God, which discuss
God bringing a Destroyer against Jerusalem and Judah to punish those
who refuse to repent. This is not an end-time which is a thousand years
into the distant future, but an end-time event expected in the near
future.

An end-time which encompasses the prophesied Great Tribulation.


So what this means is that Gog is another symbolic entity which
represents the end-time Destroyer.

However, unlike many prophecies Ezekiel does not focus upon the
judgment upon the wayward unrepentant end-time Jerusalem (symbolic
Old Jerusalem), but rather upon the later defence of 'New Jerusalem'
at the conclusion of the Great Tribulation. 


BROUGHT BACK FROM THE SWORD


Gog attacks those who had been brought back from the sword. Brought
to the mountains of Israel which had long been desolate. Those who
were living in unwalled villages.

    Ezek  38:8   After many days you {Gog} will be visited.
                 In the latter years you will come into the
                 land of those brought back from the sword
                 and gathered from many people on the mountains
                 of Israel, which had long been desolate; they
                 were brought out of the nations, and now all
                 of them dwell safely.
            :11  You will say, 'I will go up against a land
                 of unwalled villages; I will go to a peaceful
                 people, who dwell safely, all of them dwelling
                 without walls, and having neither bars nor gates'"


Historically the 10 tribes of the House of Israel were removed from
their land by the Assyrians. By this time they had become followers
of pagan beliefs and so God had decided to remove them from the
Promised Land. He had cast these tribes amongst the nations where
they dispersed.

With the coming of Christianity God acted to bring these descendants
of Jacob back into the fold. Symbolically returning many of them to
the Promised Land through Christian conversion. So the mountains of
Israel (House of Israel) which had long been desolate were
again symbolically occupied.


In the end-time there is a need to do a witness work in Judaism
(symbolic House of Judah), but when the Abomination of
Desolation is manifest these servants of God and their converts
are instructed to flee Judaism and find temporary residence in
the mountains (denominations) of Christianity. 

    Matt  24:15  "Therefore when you see the 'abomination of
                 desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet,
                 standing in the holy place" (whoever reads,
                 let him understand),
            :16  "then let those who are in Judea flee to the
                 mountains."


During the course of the Great Tribulation the 'chosen' of God
residing in Christianity become evident.

    Isa    1:8   So the daughter of Zion is left as a booth in
                 a vineyard, as a hut in a garden of cucumbers,
                 as a besieged city.
            :9   Unless the Lord of hosts had left to us a very
                 small remnant, we would have become like Sodom,
                 We would have been made like Gomorrah.

    Matt  24:2   And unless those days were shortened, no flesh
                 would be saved; but for the elect's sake those
                 days will be shortened.


TRACES OF GOG'S ARMY REMOVED


Unexpectedly, even after Gog and his army have been defeated, we
encounter two symbolic periods of time.

    Ezek  39:9   "Then those who dwell in the cities of Israel
                 will go out and set on fire and burn the
                 weapons, both the shields and bucklers, the
                 bows and arrows, the javelins and spears;
                 and they will make fires with them for
                 seven years.
            :10  They will not take wood from the field nor
                 cut down any from the forests, because they
                 will make fires with the weapons; and they
                 will plunder those who plundered them, and
                 pillage those who pillaged them," says the
                 Lord God.

            :12  For seven months the house of Israel will be
                 burying them, in order to cleanse the land.
            :14  "They will set apart men regularly employed,
                 ... in order to cleanse it. At the end of
                 seven months they will make a search. 


A period symbolic period of 7 years and a symbolic period of 7 months
(or 7 New Moons).

Logically, one might have thought that the defeat of Gog's army would
immediately trigger a new era in God's plan. Yet focus is instead
placed upon 'clean up' duties.

This subsequent 'clean up' is somewhat reflected in the Flood account
- even though the 150 days of drying was completed 16/12/600 there
still remained 2 weeks of drying the ground before they could leave
the ark.
Refer, Genesis Flood Chronology - 600th  of Noah.

Also, it accounts for why the 3.5 appointed days of Daniel 12:7 have
the enemy defeated at noonday. (Therefore suggesting some remaining
events would be needed to complete the prophetic significance of that
last appointed day.)
Refer, The 3.5 Times of Daniel 12:7.


In practice, for a symbolic/spiritual war, the 'tidy up' would involve
the removal of written and video material which reinforced false
teaching and the identification and shaming of religious teachers who
wished to continue to propagate the religious lies of the past.  


Further investigation is needed to identify the actual periods being
inferred by '7 years' and '7 months'; but after these periods a
completely new era in God's work would be expected to begin. 


GOG AND MAGOG SUMMARY


The great end-time battle between the multitudes of Gog and the
'elect' of God. It predicts the unity of the armies of Gog will
fracture and resulting divisions will turn upon each other.


This event is describing the closing of the end-time Great Tribulation.
(Although, many envisaging a literal 1,000 year view will have a
different stance.)


It will be a religiously cataclysmic event and result in the demise
of many existing Christian denominations.  It will set the scene for
the establishment of the prophesied Kingdom of God.







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